Tuesday, August 28, 2007

My Conversation With The King of Kong Star Billy Mitchell

If you have not been following this saga so far I will offer this little recap. Last week after seeing the fascinating new documentary The King of Kong, about the quest for the title of world champion in the arcade game Donkey Kong, I wrote a review of my thoughts on this film and in the process lambasted current Donkey Kong world champion Billy Mitchell (pictured) who is played as the villain in this film (to read a real review check out Roger Ebert's review).

After this lambasting I received an email from Billy Mitchell himself:

Mr.Midwesterner,

Thanks for the review... and all your thoughts. Hope you take these "Just for fun" moments and have fun with them... That is what I do with my wife and 3 children. When I am not working in our family businesses we are involved in football, cheerleading, baseball, softball, track, gymnastics,.... and so on... I took notice to your blog because my wife was born in NYC and grew up on Long Island. She is quite the success story herself... you may not want to hear about that. Again, a sincere hope for the best to a transplanted midwesterner in NYC. It a great place...
Never Surrender,
Never,

Billy Mitchell

(It is really is)

Over the last few days Mr. Mitchell and I exchanged some emails discussing his family and the film after which he invited me to call him personally. On Monday I did just that and we had about an hour long conversation. Following are the highlights from the email and phone conversation:

Midwesterner: I hope you were not offended by anything I wrote in the 'review' (I use that term lightly, I am not really a seasoned critic obviously). I am smart enough to realize the way the documentary was filmed that it was one sided and played you as the villain but that is what made the movie very compelling.

Billy Mitchell: I am not at all offended by your writing, which is very obvious by the friendly e-mail I sent to you. It is a film... it is Hollywood and I am sure it is not the 1st time nor the am I or my friends in the film the first people to be dooped. Of course, you are only reviewing what was on the screen and some of it would be asdepicted, some far, far from the truth... and then some omitted intentional.

Midwesterner: I also read you recently broke the record again for charity which is fantastic.

Billy: There is actually a much larger charity in the planning in September in Bethesda, Maryland. It is at a Cancer Research Center. I have been asked to attend. It is quite flattering that I was asked to attend and that they canceled the gentleman was the 1st winner of Donald Trump's Contest The Apprentice ( his name?)

Midwesterner: I believe the name you are looking for is Bill Rancic, The Apprentice winner from season one. Actually it was odd because in the reviews I read of the movie before seeing it they all painted you as 'the bad guy' so I was prepared for that. For the first half of the movie you came across as a pretty nice guy (like the scene with the Q*bert machine) then near the end (I am sure due to editing) it did
paint you in a more mischievous light.

Billy: We may actually be giving away a Donkey Kong (record machine) or the Q Bert that I gave to Ms. Doris... We will see no promises yet... The gentleman directing the event is [email redacted] although I don't think he has all his ideas together yet...

Midwesterner: Yeah, I love New York. Case in point the fact that I am one of the few people right now that can see The King of Kong (Though I would also love to see Chasing Ghosts, I hope it is released soon).

Billy: If you would like to see Chasing Ghost I can help you [email redacted] is the producer of the film... he is in NYC... his phone number is [redacted]. If he does not get to you ASAP let me know and I will lean on him to help you.

Midwesterner: Why did you shun Steve (Wiebe) when he said hello in Florida? I am sure there is more to the story.

Billy: Steve and Mark walked into my Restaurant which was a shock to me as I was told he was not in town by the producer... Later to learn that the producer flew in and paid for Mark, Steve his wife and children, the three of which I never did meet, unfortunately. I introduced My Wife and Children to them, my whole family signed their Record Books. My Family also met the 25 other players who where in the Restaurant. Some of these people I have known 25 years and that was the very 1st time anyone met my family...EVER [Ed Note: this was not the scene I was asking about, I was asking about the scene at the Guinness Book of World Records Tournament where Steve says hello to Billy and Billy ignores him. Billy explains later in our phone conversation why there was confusion]

Midwesterner: When your wife was on camera I thought I noticed a slight New York accent.

Billy: You notice my wife had a slight NY accent...? Humm... This is to easy... call me and we will talk about my wife... and I promise you will be surprised [redacted phone number] (Top Secret #). I have a Smoking Gun but that's later...

So on Monday I did just that and placed a call to Billy Mitchell who was in his car and had just dropped his son off for football practice. When I called and used my real name and mentioned we had been emailing he had no clue who I was. Finally after mentioning this blog a very jovial voice greeted me "Ah yes, Mr. Midwesterner".

What might be the most shocking thing to come from the conversation was to learn that Mr. Mitchell had yet to even see The King of Kong. He states press reports have accused him of saying that he has refused to watch the film but states he has requested a screener from the film's producer and has yet to receive one, and of course the film is not playing anywhere near him in a local theater yet so this led to an interesting situation of where I had to describe the scenes in the film to him to ask about them.

Near the end of the film there is the 'infamous' scene where Billy and Steve Weibe meet for the first time at the Guinness Book of World Records tournament (which Billy states was a one time deal put together by the producers of the film just for the sole purpose of getting he and Steve Weibe into the same room). In the film Steve is playing and Billy walks behind him as Steve turns around and says "Hi, Billy". Billy ignores Steve and walks off saying to his wife that "there were certain people he did not want to spend too much time with". In the email exchange I asked him about this scene but he confused it with an incident that happened earlier at his restaurant. Billy states the reason he did not know what I was talking about is because in real life he claims he said "hello" back to Steve but the producers must have cut it to make it look like he completely ignored him. He may be right, I recently saw the film again and sure enough there is a camera change right at the moment Billy is standing behind Steve. Billy said the reason he did not spend too much time watching Steve play is because the group of people that like to "Stir the Sugar" (Billy does not use expletives) would accuse him of "stealing Steve's strategy".

What might be more interesting was this apparently was not the first meeting between Billy and Steve like the movie portrays. Billy claims the two met in 2004 (not to mention earlier in the day at his restaurant which the film does not show) at a tournament, two years before the Guinness tournament, shortly after Steve broke one million points for the first time. At this event they actually even played head to head on a MAME machine (not a true Donkey Kong machine, more of a program that will run the game on a computer) and Billy won the contest. Billy claims he even presented Steve with a poster of the two of them and both of their, unverified at the time, scores and invited Steve on stage with him but Steve refused.

I asked Billy what the "smoking gun" was that he discussed in his email. Billy asked me, if he was so obsessed with a score he set in 1982 then why did he not try to break the record set by Tim Sczerby in 2000. That's right, according to Mitchell he was not even the world record holder when Steve Wiebe was gunning for the record. Tim Sczerby was the title holder but Tim was kind of a guy just like Steve, a nice guy that is not part of this 'video game community'. In other words Steve vs. Tim is not a movie because there is no bad guy. As Billy put it "It would be Mr. Vanilla vs. Mr. Vanilla", you need a Billy Mitchell to make it into a movie and he said he "does not mind playing the bad guy" but wants to set the record straight.

In the reviews Billy has read he makes note the reviewers often refer to his wife as a "trophy wife", to the point Billy asked me if I felt the same way and wanted me to be honest. I did not mention that point in my review and I honestly did not feel that way after seeing the film. I did admit that I too had seen those descriptions before seeing the film but feel that is a bit unfair. He made it clear that his "trophy wife" when they first met was making more money than he was, and she currently has two masters degrees and is currently working on her doctorate.

Look, I still love this film and highly recommend it. It is listed second in this weeks issue of Entertainment Weekly's Must List. My point is sometimes I take it personally when someone just leaves a negative comment after a post, I have no idea how I would react if an entire documentary was made featuring myself in such a negative light. Yes, in speaking to Billy Mitchell it becomes rapidly apparent he is a confidant man and the negativity does not seem to bruise his ego too harshly. To be fair just in conversation Billy mentions several times that Steve is a great player and there is no question about that, a admission from Billy that never appears in the film. Billy Mitchell does not seem like a guy who minds if people want to hate him, but even someone as confident as Billy Mitchell wants to make sure that if someone is going to hate him at least let it be for accurate reasons.


30 comments:

Todd said...

Can I still hate him for being a complete narcissist?

Ross said...

So now I suppose I shouldn't leave a nasty comment after your commentary.

Mortarbored said...

This is your scoop of the year. Fuck being employed.

country roads said...

wow...the follow up here is amazing. Perhaps this kind of thing could be your new job and all you'd have to do is watch vh-1 and movies...

Now you need to call the other guy and get his side...

Clinton said...

See, this is why I shouldn't have a job. I'd TOTALLY do hard-hitting journalistic-y things if I didn't have to go to stupid work all the time.

(Ha ha, no I'd just sit around and eat Cheez-Its).

At any rate, nicely done on the follow through. You're the blog-quivilent of Anderson Cooper. And just as dreamy.

Jeff said...

Seriously, have you considered selling this interview to one of the gamer mags or sites like ign.com?

Midwesterner in NYC said...

@Todd: Sure

@Ross: See the movie first when it comes to your area and you can leave all the nasty comments you want

This is your scoop of the year. Fuck being employed.

Ha, well guess how much I got paid for this? My vacation will not be lasting much longer

wow...the follow up here is amazing. Perhaps this kind of thing could be your new job and all you'd have to do is watch vh-1 and movies...

Now you need to call the other guy and get his side...


Yeah, I would love Steve Wiebe's perspective. If someone wants to pay me to watch vh-1 and do interviews please contact me.

@Clinton: Thanks....

@Jeff. I would not even know how to do that. DO you want to be my agent?

Jeff said...

I don't know nuthin bout being no agent but I can give you a few ideas. Do you still use the email address in your blog profile?

Midwesterner in NYC said...

@Jeff: Sure sure

lioux said...

This is fascinating!

rob said...

yeah, but who is his IT guy?

Lynn said...

Seriously....This is great! I am now even more fascinated by the Tim Sczerby accomplishment and why that was completely ignored... okay update from me - I googled this and found: "While our movie focuses on the rivalry between Billy and Steve, one other gamer has a very high-score in the Twin Galaxies database on Donkey Kong, Tim Sczerby. After repeated investigations into the validity of Tim's score, and after finding one dead end after another in our Twin-Galaxies-assisted attempts to reach Mr. Sczerby, we determined that his consistently disputed record was impossible to verify and did not merit inclusion in the film. The experts on the subject of Donkey Kong, especially Brian Kuh, always referred to Billy Mitchell as the reigning champion and maintained that his unrivaled skill put him on top of the record holder chart. "

From the Filmmakers site but still! And I wish they had brought this up onscreen - but it would make sense that Billy never tried to beat him if Tom's score was already riddled with suspision and Twin Galaxies wasn't recognizing it.

Also - Billy said some really Asshole things in the film - like straight oneliner's that can't be faked (i.e. he wasn't being prompted by producers)....]

and I love that Kuh is the one who refers to Billy as the reigning champ - he would! He's his "prodigy"!!

Midwesterner in NYC said...

@Lynn: Yeah, if figures with that Kuh fellow. I agree, they should have addressed this other score.

dwayne said...

For most people who don't have this hobby like any specialization there are many things that are not made public because know one really cares other then people who are interested. Bill's high score is 1112000. He has it on tape but does actually like to do it in public. I knew Bill had a million on dk long time ago, 2000-2001.

Bill is the most famous video game player but I am recognized as the best player alltime. I was interviewed for both the kok and chasing ghosts but they cut most of the footage out of myself. It doesn't bother me too much seeing what happens to the public figure.

But soon enough you will be exposed to the proof that this film was made by weibe's friends and we didn't even know he was in the picture they were making and they ahve lied about almost everything except the proper way to say weeebe! hahaha
cheers dwayne

Adam Glazier said...

I don't know Billy and I still don't trust him.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this story - it was awesome. Who knew this guy had 3 kids? Completely left out of the movie! Thanks for following-up on this...

Mia said...

This is in a forum on the Picturehouse website:

Q.
Who is Tim Sczerby?
A.
While our movie focuses on the rivalry between Billy and Steve, one other gamer has a very high-score in the Twin Galaxies database on Donkey Kong, Tim Sczerby. After repeated investigations into the validity of Tim's score, and after finding one dead end after another in our Twin-Galaxies-assisted attempts to reach Mr. Sczerby, we determined that his consistently disputed record was impossible to verify and did not merit inclusion in the film. The experts on the subject of Donkey Kong, especially Brian Kuh, always referred to Billy Mitchell as the reigning champion and maintained that his unrivaled skill put him on top of the record holder chart.

Mia said...

...although now I'm reading that a guy says he got a hold of this Tim guy pretty easily, what a crazy story

Sarah said...

Hint to Billy: if you don't want people calling your wife a trophy wife, don't buy her the biggest, uh, trophies on the market.

Sorry, the dude just radiates smarm and sleaze to me. The random hints of additional "revelations" to come by people like dwayne above only make him seem fishier.

Anonymous said...

the KoK producers are liars when it comes to their 'answer' about Sczerby. a google search on the name and a quick email later, boom, classicarcadegaming.com forums got right ahold of Tim Sczerby...and guess what, he doesn't think either of the Kong score competitors are legit...which is probably why KoK ignores him...

josh said...

man he got you with the jedi mind shit. haha. just kidding. i'm sure he's actually a nice guy and all but i can't stand him. he seems so full of himself.

tricia said...

Thanks for posting this -- you've got more guts than I do! I called Billy "an inherent ass" in the Washington City Paper and got an email from my editor saying that Billy loved my review and wanted to talk to me.

But like some others mentioned here, I don't trust him a bit, and also heard that he was trying to "sabotage" the film. So I haven't gotten in touch, sure he'd just tear into me.

But now...

Midwesterner in NYC said...

@Josh: Nah, Jedi mind tricks do not work on me. Is he cocky? Perhaps. Is he what the film (which I still love) makes him out to be? Pehaps not.

@tricia: when I wrote this he stated he had not even seen the film let alone was trying to trash it. That was a fair point considering it was not in Flordia yet.

Chris said...

I loved this movie when I saw it, but it's a bit depressing that the makers would do something so blatantly dishonest as editing out Billy's greeting to make it look like he snubbed Steve. Sure, it makes it a better story, but it's not the truth and it's not fair to Billy. I don't really like Billy's personality but I'm glad he's able to take the whole thing in stride.

Also, if you go to www.twingalaxies.com, they have an interview with Tim Sczerby on tthe front page of their site.

Marissa said...

hey there! do you know anything about the september charity thing billy mentioned -- the one taking place in bethesda, maryland? i live quite close to there and am juuuuust dorky enough to want to attend. plus, it would be amazing to get to meet this guy.

Jason said...

Midwesterner-

I like your re-cap of your experience with Billy. I had a simliar experience with him but could never recap it as well as you. One thing I wanted to tip you and the gang on here is to make sure and check out Mitch Gerson's interview with Billy as well he talked with Billy for days before writing the article for the up and coming October issue of GameRoom magazine.

Preview of the october cover...
http://nicecarvings.com/assets/images/OCT-GR-COVER.jpg

Midwesterner in NYC said...

@Marissa: Yeeah, I have an email I can send you so you can get more info. Email me at midwesternerinnyc@nyc.rr.com and I will send it to you

@jason: Thanks. Yeah, I will check that out.

Siara said...

You know, I'm sure somewhere in Billy Mitchell, there might be a nice guy....but that doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't play the guy face to face. If you're going to say you're the best at something, show some balls and man up! That's what really drove me nuts! The fact that Steve submitted a tape and was shot down but Billy submitted a tape, that didn't even look good, and still got the high score. If there is ever another king of kong, those two better have some sort of interaction, because it looked to me like Billy was scared of this guy because he has the potential to beat him! Hell! The guy did it three times! I hope Billy learns to stop being a baby and finally plays Steve. Show some decency and fairness, if Billy is really as good as he claims, he should have no problem taking Steve down.

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